Ultimate Axiom

Joined

• started 18 topics
• posted 490 times   see topics posted on
• send a message

Posts by Ultimate Axiom

• 
  82

  the-question (607 BCE explained and proved)

  by pleaseresearch in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Ultimate Axiom

  It's worth bearing in mind that this debate over 606 v 587 is not new. In the October 1st Watchtower 1904 page 296 (RP 3436) Russell published a letter, which said (in part);

  "Dear Sir, … You count the seventy years Babylonian captivity of the Jews as beginning with the overthrow of Zedekiah, Judah's last king, but I notice that "Bishop Usher's Chronology," … based on "Ptolemy's Canon," begins that seventy-year period nineteen years earlier … this in turn would make those times end nineteen years later than you have reckoned – in October, A. D. 1933, instead of October, 1914. "

  Russell's reply was,

  "We know of no reason for changing a figure: to do so would spoil the harmonies and parallels so conspicuous between the Jewish and Gospel ages. "

  He then goes on to explain the damage it would do the their other years 1874, 1876 as well as 1914 and concludes with the statement,

  "All this confusion would result from an abandonment of the Bible narrative in favor of Ptolemy's Canon"

  So Russell did not chose 606 because of any empirical evidence, he chose it to support his pre-conceived ideas of parallel dispensations in his "Divine Plan of The Ages". And that's how it's been ever since.
• 
  9

  King of the South and that stuff

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i see that the uk prime monster t may is going to see the pressy of the usa whos name means 'fart' here in brit land.

  i have my own views on those people, in fact authority in general.

  but i ramble as we old people tend to do.. i wonder how long before jobos are saying; 'ooooh, look.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Ultimate Axiom

  In all honesty punkofnice, I don't think the WT's current crop of writers have the imagination to dream up a new interpretation of any of those old prophecies so beloved of Freddy Franz. But if they do you can be sure that they will say (as they did about Freddie's 1958 book , “Your Will Be Done on Earth") that it “points with unerring accuracy to their counterparts in today’s struggle for world control.” (Watchtower, October 15, 1958, page 640).
• 
  53

  Skinned and Thrown About.....

  by Tech49 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this is a little long, but stick with me.. if you recall, when the building work was in full swing at the new lakefront villa (warwick), wt was having workers come and they would put them up for a year, or more, while they were providing "volunteer services".

  with that, and the impending need for hundreds and hundreds of new khs in the usa territory, the congregations were abuzz with the need for "continued construction volunteers".

  recently, as many of you know, wt headquarters has sent pretty much everyone home, and is no longer needing workers at the new warwick site, as the building is mostly complete, with the dedication coming up later this year.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Ultimate Axiom

  they can flip to Malachi

  Seems an odd choice of book to me as it's easy to find, being the last one in the OT. Not that I remember it ever being quoted from.
  
• 
  36

  How do JW's determine a person is anointed?

  by thinker11 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've always wondered about this.

  when a person believes they made a spiritual connection with god and proclaims themselves as anointed, how do they determine whether this person is anointed or not.

  does a group of elders look at the person's spiritual resume and check off the person's pioneer stats, bible knowledge, attendance, work ethic, personality, etc and then believe in the person if they have a good track record?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Ultimate Axiom

  Back in the 70s there were two people in my congregation that took the emblems, a dear old lady and a peculiar guy in his late 50s or early 60s. This guy was ‘in the truth’ long before I arrived, but he never ‘advanced’ in it. He was never a servant of any kind, never gave public talks, not even the School Instruction talk, and hardly ever answered at meetings. He was generally regarded as dubious, although no one would come outright and say they doubted his claim. I was the School servant for a while and on one occasion I had to ‘council’ him for his talk. I should have just said it was good, with some meaningless platitudes, but I was conscientiously honest and told him the truth (I was also only 26). After the meeting he took me aside and swearing like a trooper told me what a f-ing jerk I was, unfit for my role, and that I was in no position to tell him anything. I was actually quite pleased with his reaction, as it just confirmed my doubts about the ‘truth’, and about a year later I was out.
• 
  5

  Studies in the scriptures AND bunch of Rutherford books available online

  by NikL in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this may be well known here but i just discovered it.. lots of old publications are in the public domain and are available for download.

  could be a great source of information for those that need it.. here are couple links.... https://archive.org/details/studiesinthescripturesvolumes1-7.

  https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3a%22j.f.%20rutherford%22.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Ultimate Axiom

  If you start a little further back in archive.org site, there is virtually everything the Watchtower has ever published.

  https://archive.org/download/WatchtowerLibrary/
• 
  26

  Did anyone else go to this weeks midweek meeting?

  by NikL in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the congregation bible study, the book addressed how "truth" is progressive.... 18 just as jehovah progressively revealed truths about the kingdom in the period leading up to 1914, he continues to do so during the time of the end.

  as chapters 4 and 5 of this book will show, over the past 100 years, god’s people have had to adjust their understanding on a number of occasions.

  does that fact mean that they do not have jehovah’s backing?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Ultimate Axiom

  It seems to be a safe rule to follow, that prophecy can not be understood by us until it is fulfilled or in the course of fulfilment.

  It doesn’t appear to be of much use then, does it? Funny how the WT only applies this rule when their ‘understanding’ about a prophecy proves to be wrong. After all, their ‘understanding’ right now is that the following will all happen in the ‘near future’;
  Phase 1: Precursor of “sudden destruction”
  • nations will be saying, “Peace and security!”
  • final sealing of the anointed remnant (the 144,000)
  Phase 2: The Great Tribulation Begins
  • Attack on religion by the United Nations
  • The attack will be cut short
  Phase 3: Events leading up to Armageddon
  • Celestial phenomena
  • Judgment pronounced on all God’ enemies
  • All-out attack on all of Jehovah’s people
  • Gathering of the anointed remnant to heaven
  Phase 4: Armageddon
  • Jehovah will rescue his people under attack
  • Execution and removal of all human enemies of God’s Kingdom
  They clearly haven’t applied the rule to this pile of crap.

  
  

  
  
• 
  42

  Learn To Speak Like A Jehovah's Witness

  by pale.emperor in

  1. social
  2. humour

  for those who were never a jw, here's a fun guide to passing yourself as one:.

  privilege [priv-lij] - a duty nobody would volunteer to do which is assigned to you without your say so.

  such as cleaning the toilets, picking up other brats candy wrappers in the back row and being stuck on locking up duty for the 7th time in a row.. df'd [dee-eff'd] - disfellowshipped.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Ultimate Axiom

  OLD TRUTH - Stuff that the passage of time has proven false, but was true at the time.

  NEW LIGHT – The stuff that is true now, even though the passage of time may prove it to be false later.

  FALSE PROPHET - Those who purport to be prophets of God but who are proven false by their record of failure (excludes the WTS).
• 
  7

  Well, I thought they were funny.

  by Ultimate Axiom in

  1. social
  2. humour

  like many others, our local church produces a newsletter.

  church car park sign... “for members only.

  trespassers will be baptised”.. a sunday school teacher asked, “johnny, do you think noah did a lot of fishing when he was in the ark?” “no,” replied johnny, “how could he, with just two worms?”.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Ultimate Axiom

  Vidiot, not sure if your question was part serious, but just in case, in the Anglican Church the resident minister is known as a Vicar, and he/she lives in the Vicarage.
  
• 
  7

  Well, I thought they were funny.

  by Ultimate Axiom in

  1. social
  2. humour

  like many others, our local church produces a newsletter.

  church car park sign... “for members only.

  trespassers will be baptised”.. a sunday school teacher asked, “johnny, do you think noah did a lot of fishing when he was in the ark?” “no,” replied johnny, “how could he, with just two worms?”.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Ultimate Axiom

  A few more signs seen outside churches;

  Seven days without Christ makes one weak.
  No God – No Peace. Know God – Know Peace
  Free trip to Heaven. Details inside
  Come in and pray today. Beat the Christmas rush.
  Thursday at 10am there will be a meeting of the little Mothers Club. All those wishing to become Little Mothers please see our new minister in the vicarage.
  
• 
  80

  Major Doctrinal Changes Must Be On The Way

  by notsurewheretogo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the statement in the article "who is leading gods people today?

  " in the feb 17th study edition of the wt is very interesting.. it states: ""the g.b.

  is neither inspired nor infallible" ..we can err .in doctrinal matters....".

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Ultimate Axiom

  Yes, they have admitted in print that they are not inspired and not always right;

  “… the “faithful and discreet slave” has alerted all of God’s people to the sign of the times indicating the nearness of God’s Kingdom rule. In this regard, however, it must be observed that this “faithful and discreet slave” was never inspired, never perfect.” (Watchtower, March 1, 1979, page 23).

  “Jehovah’s Witnesses today … do not claim that this slave class is infallible” (Jehovah’s Witnesses – Proclaimers of God’s Kingdom, 1993, page 626).

  That however is not rellevant, because THEY MUST BE TREATED AS IF THEY WERE;

  “It is vital that we … respond to the directions of the “slave” as we would to the voice of God.” (Watchtower, June 15, 1957, page 371).

  “To hold to the headship of Christ, it is therefore necessary to obey the organization ... Doing what the organization says is to do what he says. Resisting the organization is to resist him.” (Watchtower, May 1, 1959, page 269).

  “… a mature Christian … does not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbor private ideas when it comes to Bible understanding. Rather, he has complete confidence in the truth as it is revealed by ... “the faithful and discreet slave.”” (Watchtower, August 1, 2001, page 14).